Mailing List Message #95765
From: ish Support <>
Subject: Re: E-mail Archiving Solutions
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 08:49:29 +1000
To: CommuniGate Pro Discussions <>
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Thanks for hijacking my thread but I see your point! :)

I have no idea what the laws are for all of this in Australia, something I think we should know before we go to much further.

Thank you very much for the advice.

On 05/08/2008, at 6:54 PM, Graeme Fowler wrote:


On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 16:39 +1000, ish Support wrote:
I would really like something more polished, as this is ok for someone
whom is technically minded it is not that useful for those whom are
not. I would really like an indexed database of all the mails, etc.

Now we're getting somewhere - you produce a requirements specification
which takes into account your local legal frameworks, and then we're
talking :)

At the moment for my office, I already save all emails on a HDD in
text. I use a rule and a script but I find with this I get a
"processing" error every now and then which just looses the whole mail
and cgate support has been unable to help me solve this and it happens
so rare that I am not sure where to look. I am not keen to implement
this on a server which is processing 10x the email. The script in
question is below, as you can see it creates a directory structure for
year/month/date/hour and the emails are saved in those hour

OK, that's pretty simple (errors notwithstanding).

If you want something you can use an ordinary mail client with, you
could use the suggestion others have made to use a mirroring rule (not
necessarily to the same server) into an account to which you have
webmail access, or IMAP access, or MAPI. That way you get all the
functionality of your favourite client with all the simplicity of it
being email rather than some sort of searchable database backend.

But the same problem still remains, I have all these emails but no
ACL/indexed/searchable interface to make this usable.

You have an additional problem, too: how long are you permitted to
retain the information, and how do you respond to Freedom of Information
requests? In the UK we have a set of opposing regulations in the Data
Protection Act, the Freedom of Information Act, and the Regulation of
Investigatory Powers act amongst others which amend or modify them.

The first states, in very simple terms, that you must only keep
information pertaining to a person for "as long as is necessary".

The second states, again in very simple terms, that if you hold
information pertaining to a person then when requested you must be able
to produce it within a reasonable timeframe when requested.

The third restricts (that term is actually arguable, since it's a very
large group!) which third parties are permitted to request information
from your organisation - when requested for this information there is a
strict framework in which you must produce the information.

So in your case (if you were in the UK), if you're known to be retaining
all email communications, but you can't produce the copies when
requested by a person or an organisation then you are legally up the
creek without a paddle. Additionally, if an ex employee comes back in
ten years and demands any information you have about them and you still
have information from ten years previously, did you need to keep it?

Again, I realise that this isn't a technical reply but it's worth
mentioning - even if you go ahead and buy an off-the-shelf product you
*must* consider producing policies within your organisation to manage
the consequences - the basic one being to set a retention period, which
most appliances or off-the-shelf products will do for you.

Yes, it is perfectly legal (in the UK at least) to say in response to an
FoI request "I'm afraid those emails have now been destroyed in
accordance with our data retention policies", providing that doesn't
conflict with other legislation (like that applying to financial
transactions, healthcare, pharmaceuticals, stocks/shares, company
directors... etc etc etc)  :)

It's a minefield!


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